I stand by my point if the 5 Grad disciplines with the largest enrollments have all ready developed their own definitions for accreditation or association reporting purposes, how can these definitions developed by the individual disciplines to track and measure their unique characteristics be changed/modified be to uniform via a CDS for GRAD schools?

I know this is the case for Medical (AAMC), LAW (ABA), Engineering (ASEE) and Business (GMAC survey definitions and Placement data) and to some degree Education with NCATE. U.S. News is working to use all these different definitions on our grad school surveys, that is our view of what the Graduate schools themselves want.

At 11:29 AM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote:

I appreciate all the responses to the question I posed earlier. It confirms what I have believed for some time; that I am not alone in the frustration I feel with having to complete all these graduate surveys that ask many of the same questions, albeit with a different enough twist to warrant more work on my part.


I both agree and disagree with Bob Morse yes Bob, there are unique factors at the Engineering, MBA, and Law, level that make it challenging to have one single graduate CDS. But why does each vendor have to ask the common questions just a little differently so that new queries have to be written and ad hoc reports generated to enable me to respond? Applications by gender and ethnicity and discipline coinciding with CIP codes; applications by gender and ethnicity and discipline as defined by Peterson s and not by CIP code, etc. etc. etc.   Please. There certainly is a way that a graduate CDS could be created. While I agree it would not be as comprehensive as the CDS we use on the UG side, it could at least standardize or condense the application, acceptance, enrollment, by gender, ethnicity, citizenship, and average stipend and average tuition waiver questions. Beyond that, I concur with Bob that there are unique areas for the MBA vs the Engineering PhD, etc. These differences could be dealt with separately by the vendors.


I ve always taken pride in the accuracy and quality of my data, and in the fact that if someone asks me for something I feel compelled to reply. So it s hard for me to refuse to respond to surveys, as some have suggested. But perhaps that s the only thing that will get their attention.


I also offer this article reference for my IR colleagues: back in October of 1998 (Volume 39, Number 5, page 513) there was a very interesting article in the AIR Journal College Rankings: Democratized College For Whom? I highly recommend it. The authors used responses from the UCLA CIRP freshmen survey in their analysis.



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