Good point. I thought the discussion was about transfers-out.

Carol

-----Original Message-----
From: GILLESPIE@FORDHAM.EDU [mailto:GILLESPIE@FORDHAM.EDU]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:05 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] RE: Graduation Rates & transfer outs






Carol and others,

My understanding is that FERPA applies only to students who enroll at an
institution. One could supply an SSN if the student has never attended.
For example, we are formulating a request to obtain information on
students whom we admitted, but who did not enroll. I believe we can
submit SSN's. We will examine this thoroughly ourselves, but thought I
would mention this to the list serve.

Don

Donald A. Gillespie, Ph.D.
Associate Vice President for Institutional Research

Fordham University
TH-215
Bronx, NY 10458

Phone: (718) 817-3191
Fax: (718) 817-3203
e-mail: gillespie@fordham.edu





"Carol Fuller"

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FERPA does not allow the use of SSN or any other student identification
number for the purpose of tracking students to other institutions in the
Clearinghouse database. Only directory information can be used.

Carol Fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: Gray, Jennifer L [mailto:GrayJL@Cobleskill.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:32 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] RE: Graduation Rates & transfer outs

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but anytime I've used the
clearinghouse, I've never sent SSN's they are not required to use
their services. The only identifying information they require is
first, middle and last name as well as DOB and last date of
attendance. There is an optional field where an institution can
put
in their own identifying information, and I understand that some
institutions do put SSN in there, but I have not. I usually put
in
their program code or their local campus ID. Also I've never
had
to pay the 12 cents per student. Maybe because we are submitting
information to them on our students?

I also do think it's valuable to collect information on our
transfers, even if we are not 'in the business' of preparing
students
to transfer (we offer both 2 and 4 year degrees, so we do keep
track). I think one reason it's important is in terms of knowing
and understanding where our withdrawing students are transferring
to.
We all have to deal with attrition (that ugly word!), and if we
have
a significant group of students leaving our institution and
enrolling
at another institution for a specific program, that gives us a
clue
as to what we might need to think about in future program
planning.
Just my humble thoughts...

Jennifer Gray
Director of Institutional Research
208 Knapp Hall
(518)255-5408
grayjl@cobleskill.edu
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From: Carol Fuller [mailto:carol@naicu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:23 PM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] RE: Graduation Rates & transfer outs

There are major FERPA issues in using the Clearinghouse for
the
purpose of tracking students who may have transferred to, or
graduated from another institution, if you submit more than
directory information for this purpose (such as SSNs). The
Clearinghouse website has letters from the U.S. Department
of
Education that explain this.

Carol Fuller
-----Original Message-----
From: Cardwell, Susan [mailto:susan.cardwell@mwsu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:08 PM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] RE: Graduation Rates & transfer outs


www.studentclearinghouse.org - 12 cents per
student,
which is almost $800 a year for us, will track your
students by SS#. we don't do it, but my boss is often
tempted.



Susan Cardwell
Midwestern State University
Wichita Falls, TX




-----Original Message-----
From: Petruccio, Diane
[mailto:dpetruccio@ursuline.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:02 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] RE: Graduation Rates & transfer
outs

I took the IPEDS definition to mean 2-year
schools,
although I may be wrong. I don't know about
other
schools, but we do not get good transfer out
info
from our students or the NSC, so unfortunately
transfer-outs appear in the attrition numbers
along
with drop-outs.

If someone has a way to track and capture this
information, and/or another take on the
instructions of "could count," I'd be interested
in
that information as well.

Diane Petruccio, Director
Institutional Research
Ursuline College
Values. Voice. Vision
www.ursuline.edu
440.646.8390


"You must learn from the mistakes of others.
You
can't possibly live long enough to make them all
yourself." (Sam Levinson)



All I really need to know about life I learned
from
Noah's Ark:
*Don't listen to critics, just get on with
what has to be done.
*For safety's sake travel in pairs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Phyllis Streeter
[mailto:streeter@sxu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:54 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] Graduation Rates...

In calculating 4 to 6 year graduation
rates
in the past, I have not included
transfer-out
students in my headcounts. I have been
asked
however to look into whether I should be.
In
reviewing the IPEDS GRS definition, it
does
mention that the rate could include those
who
transfer to other institutions if transfer
is
part of the institution's mission, which
it
is. So I would like to know if any of you
are
including transfers who completed programs
of
study at another institution. Thanks.

Phyllis Streeter
Saint Xavier University
Chicago, Illinois