If a student is new to higher education and out of high school, taking a full load, and eligible for financial aid as a full-time student, then they should be reported as FT first-time freshman regardless of the admission bucket you put them into.

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From: "Simpkins, Alice" <ASimpkins@paine.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:32:16 -0500
To: Common Data Set<cds@collegeboard.lyris.net>
ReplyTo: cds@cblist.org
Subject: RE: [cds] Cohort Counts

"non-degree seeking" is a different Admission's category.  Therefore, they would NOT be included at Paine.
Alice
 
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Paine College
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Fax: 706-396-8153
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From: Reaves, Kenneth [kreaves@flsouthern.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: RE: [cds] Cohort Counts

Thanks everyone.  You’ve confirmed what I have been saying.  I also talked to IPEDS help desk and their reply was consistent.  The only students who are not to be counted are FT non-degree seeking.  The only caveat is, if the registrar classifies a student as FT non-degree, but financial aid reports them as FT degree seeking for financial aid purposes, then the federal government considers them FT degree seeking and they must be counted.  So, an institution can identify students as conditional/special accepts who are non-degree seeking and not count them, as long as they do not receive financial aid.

 

Ken

 

Ken Reaves

Director of Institutional Research and Effectiveness

Florida Southern College

kreaves@flsouthern.edu

 

From: Uerling, Laura [mailto:luerling@stonehill.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: RE: [cds] Cohort Counts

 

It depends on how you define “conditional accepts”. We have what we call “special accepts” that are similar to conditional accepts, but they are accepted as FT, NON-degree seeking students until they prove they can do the work. Those we do not count in the freshmen cohort. However, such a category would not be helpful to exclude athletes from the cohort because as I understand it, they have to be degree-seeking to compete.

 

So, in terms of conditional, or special accepts, FT, degree-seeking, in, FT non-degree seeking, out.

 

Laura Uerling

Stonehill College

 

From: Broderick, Mike [mailto:mbroderick@sjc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:38 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: RE: [cds] Cohort Counts

 

Same as Alice. Not counting conditional accepts would be a way for a college to have its cake and eat it too.

 

Mike

 

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Michael Broderick

Director of Institutional Research

Saint Joseph College

West Hartford, CT

860.231.5430

 

From: Simpkins, Alice [mailto:ASimpkins@paine.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:30 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: RE:[cds] Cohort Counts

 

I count all students who are categorized as "first-time freshmen" in the Admission's Module who entered in the fall or in the previous summer and returned in the fall.  I have never seen anything in the definition for IPEDS that says to exclude them.

 

Alice

 

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Alice M. Simpkins

Director of Institutional Research

Paine College

1235 Fifteenth Street

Augusta, GA 30901-3182

Off: 706-396-8111

Fax: 706-396-8153

asimpkins@paine.edu


From: Reaves, Kenneth [kreaves@flsouthern.edu]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:45 PM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] Cohort Counts

From time to time I get asked the following question:

 

Who do we have to include in our first-time in college cohort for IPEDS and the CDS?  In reply, I answer, “all degree seeking students who have not attended college since graduating from high school.”  I answer this way because it is simpler.  Granted, this includes students earning AP, CLEP, Dantes, IB or dual enrolled credit in HS.  I also included students enrolling the summer prior to the fall. 

 

That’s the easy part of the question.  The “sticking point” seems to be colleges who have “conditional admits” who are there for a semester to see if they can come up to institutions admission standards.  How do you handle such students?  Do you count them, or do you wait till they move from conditional admits to regular admits?

 

Thank you,

Ken

 

Ken Reaves

Director of Institutional Research and Effectiveness

Florida Southern College

111 Lake Hollingsworth Dr.

Lakeland, FL 33801

Phone: 863-680-3007

Fax: 863-680-3008

kreaves@flsouthern.edu

 

 

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