While I truly sympathize with my colleagues need for this additional slicing of data, I am not willing to add to my already full plate.  As on office of one, I write my own data queries and do all of the other IR functions with some assessment thrown in.  Sorry for the whine, but golly, if you need that data, form a consortium or something like it to suit your needs.



Jean Constable

Director Institutional Research

Texas Lutheran University

1000 W Court Street

Seguin, TX  78155

Phone (830) 372-8090

Email jconstable@tlu.edu



From: Beth Fuson [mailto:beth@pathwayseducation.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:09 AM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] Re: [cds] [cds]


A lot of colleges treat out of state and in state students differently in the admissions process and for the purposes of awarding financial aid. State laws in North Carolina prevent UNC-Chapel Hill from having more than about 18 % of its students from out-of-state. The state of Tennessee prohibits universities from using taxpayer dollars (tuition support from the state budget in the form of scholarships) to recruit students from out of state. It may not be a problem for your institution or in your state but it is a significant issue for the taxpayers and politicians in these states.


If you are applying to Indiana University your application is put in the “in state” pile or the “out of state” pile.  Each pile has different criteria. I know this because the Director of Admission told me that under the “legacy policy”, if you are an alumnus of the university who lives out of state and your child is applying for admission, the application will be measured against the in-state-student criteria, rather than the out-of-state student criteria. 


If 80 % of the students are admitted or offered aid based on one set of criteria and 20% are admitted and offered aid under a different set of criteria and you report those numbers together, then the 80% is skewing the 20%.




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From: Lowe, Peter
Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎8‎:‎38‎ ‎AM
To: Common Data Set


This question/request is too broad and lacks reasonable justification IMO.


If you could get only a few CDS questions broken out by In-state and Out-of-state, which questions would you want and why?   Say between 5 and 10 questions.


I’m curious as to why they are not treated equally.


How and why does IU choose to treat these students differently?





Peter B. Lowe
Coordinator of Institutional Research
Office of Institutional Research and Assessment
University of North Florida
904.620.2606 Ph
904.620.2322 Fax






From: Beth Fuson [mailto:beth@pathwayseducation.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:02 PM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: [cds] Re: [cds] [cds]


Only for admission and financial aid. I know this request is going to be DOA, but it would be really helpful.




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From: Simpkins, Alice
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎21‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: Common Data Set


Do you mean this for all questions?






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From: Beth Fuson [mailto:beth@pathwayseducation.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:53 PM
To: Common Data Set
Subject: RE:[cds] [cds]


I know that schools are going to hate this request, but I am going to make it (with apologies if it would cause an undue burden): would it be possible to get the data for in-state students separated out from out-of-state students in the information as part of the common data set??
My alma mater, Indiana University, considers the qualifications of out of state students differently than in state students. As someone who advises students, this information would be helpful.

Beth Fuson, M.Ed
Associate member, IECA
Member: NACAC, SACAC, PCACAC, NEACAC &Tri-State Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators

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